I've just managed to find myself a player which won't eat the OGG files (my old version of Audion *I heart Audion* doesn't play them) and listened to that post while reading mhw's transcription.
I am now listening to it without reading transcript and it's weird cos it is your voice, and your very distinctive speech pattern yet you aren't in front of me for lipreading/signing purposes :) You have a very clear voice, however your speech without you and your body language is much more clearly you making distinct effort to articulate and verbalise your thoughts. when i read your posts on LJ I forget that you talk in a measured fashion as your textual communication is very fluent.
I wonder how many people would come across totally different using 'phonepost' style entries compared to their standard typewritten one. I find it weird spending time with people I know mostly/talk mostly to online cos their IRL communication style is different - usually more hesitant than their online one even when in real-time communications.
I also wonder if my (some would consider excessive) spending most of my time online, most of my communications online has made it harder for me to manage things like phone conversations. There have always been people (usually deep voiced males, and quietly spoken females) who I could not hear on the phone, but now I can hardly hear my own mother!!! My mother is neither quiet nor difficult to hear... I find without lipreading my ability to continue to parse that voice in real time becomes increasingly more difficult and gives me a killer of a headache. Maybe that was part of the exhaustion/fatigue I experienced with vertigo at 15, all of a sudden I couldn't maintain that anymore.
Ho humm, deaf politics come to mind. I am seen as an Oralist success, but am I as successful as they would like to believe? Yes my speech is excellent, my understanding of speech is generally good - but at what cost in energy and 'whatting' to myself and those I am communicating with? I don't hear like a hearing person, I don't struggle like other deaf people with slightly more severe hearing losses than myself, I'm in an uncomfortable semi-dynamic range between the two.
voodoopussy commented on IMs a few weeks after BiCon that I had been signing at her/others at BiCon a lot, I didn't realise I was doing it, and I wonder how much of my communication at home has now become sign/online based - so much so I get frustrated spending time with people who don't understand me when I sign at them!!! My dad was certainly amused at me trying to sign something at him last week.
Thoughts... Ho Humm... Thanks for letting me ramble rubbish at you.
I hate the sound of my own voice, I sound much deeper and less girlie in my own head, although I can only hear myself clearly when I am what is to other people slightly on the loud side.
commented on IMs a few weeks after BiCon that I had been signing at her/others at BiCon a lot, I didn't realise I was doing it, I do it too, on occasion. My signing is nowhere near fluent, but sometimes (esp. in a noisey atmosphere) using BSL feels natural, even to me.
when i read your posts on LJ I forget that you talk in a measured fashion I'm not entirely sure I understand what you mean by that. I was speaking a few months ago with my ex-housemate (who is studying something linguistic-y) who made the comment that late language developers (such as me - I didn't speak a coherent word until around 3 years old) often treat their mother tongue as a foreign language. By way of example, more processing seems to take place in the language itself rather than what Steve Pinker (in The Language Instinct) calls mentalese. As such the syntax is often very strict and comes over deliberate-sounding.
I do it too, on occasion. My signing is nowhere near fluent, but sometimes (esp. in a noisey atmosphere) using BSL feels natural, even to me.
Yeah, kimble says that too. This is why we are doing more sign classes so we have better vocab and aren't just using bad SSE. I'd like to be more BSLish.
I'm not entirely sure I understand what you mean by that.
When you use speech each word is considered and doesn't flow 100% fluently from one word to the next. I always assumed this was an artifact of you signing some of the time cos when you sign+speech it is hard not to go a bit stilted. I have been told that after a few hours of signing+speaking if there is mixed hearing/deaf group that I actually sound Deaf cos I am not concentrating so much on my speech.
I was speaking a few months ago with my ex-housemate (who is studying something linguistic-y) who made the comment that late language developers (such as me - I didn't speak a coherent word until around 3 years old) often treat their mother tongue as a foreign language.
That would describe it quite accurately, some people who speak English as a foreign language pause in unusual places which I notice cos of course I am lipreading and pattern matching. If someone is very fast+fluent in speech it is different following them than someone who speaks in chunks or word by word. You are sort of half way between them, you have sort of bursts of output as it were which is ideal for signing with :).
I didn't speak till I was over 2.5yrs of age which is quite late for a hearing child but reasonable for a deaf child. I was diagnosed at 8mos and hearing aided from 10 mos. My mum had support and we had joint speech therapy 3 times a week and my mum talks the hind leg off several donkeys. At 5 years old I went to school and my first report comments on my marked Glaswegian accent :).
I will go and check out the Stephen Pinker thing, cos we discussed that just before BiCon I remember.
Quintessential Player (http://www.quinnware.com/) handles them beautifully; it's the player that I use for just about everything.
For anyone who wants a very small but capable player that runs on Win32 and Linux, try Zinf (http://www.zinf.org/). It'll do MP3, Ogg/Vorbis, WAV and Audio CD playback, SHOUTcast/Icecast HTTP streaming, RTP streaming, and has a powerful music browser, theme support and a download manager.
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Date: 2004-09-21 08:59 am (UTC)I've just managed to find myself a player which won't eat the OGG files (my old version of Audion *I heart Audion* doesn't play them) and listened to that post while reading
I am now listening to it without reading transcript and it's weird cos it is your voice, and your very distinctive speech pattern yet you aren't in front of me for lipreading/signing purposes :) You have a very clear voice, however your speech without you and your body language is much more clearly you making distinct effort to articulate and verbalise your thoughts. when i read your posts on LJ I forget that you talk in a measured fashion as your textual communication is very fluent.
I wonder how many people would come across totally different using 'phonepost' style entries compared to their standard typewritten one. I find it weird spending time with people I know mostly/talk mostly to online cos their IRL communication style is different - usually more hesitant than their online one even when in real-time communications.
I also wonder if my (some would consider excessive) spending most of my time online, most of my communications online has made it harder for me to manage things like phone conversations. There have always been people (usually deep voiced males, and quietly spoken females) who I could not hear on the phone, but now I can hardly hear my own mother!!! My mother is neither quiet nor difficult to hear... I find without lipreading my ability to continue to parse that voice in real time becomes increasingly more difficult and gives me a killer of a headache. Maybe that was part of the exhaustion/fatigue I experienced with vertigo at 15, all of a sudden I couldn't maintain that anymore.
Ho humm, deaf politics come to mind. I am seen as an Oralist success, but am I as successful as they would like to believe? Yes my speech is excellent, my understanding of speech is generally good - but at what cost in energy and 'whatting' to myself and those I am communicating with? I don't hear like a hearing person, I don't struggle like other deaf people with slightly more severe hearing losses than myself, I'm in an uncomfortable semi-dynamic range between the two.
Thoughts... Ho Humm... Thanks for letting me ramble rubbish at you.
I hate the sound of my own voice, I sound much deeper and less girlie in my own head, although I can only hear myself clearly when I am what is to other people slightly on the loud side.
Natalya
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Date: 2004-09-21 12:41 pm (UTC)I do it too, on occasion. My signing is nowhere near fluent, but sometimes (esp. in a noisey atmosphere) using BSL feels natural, even to me.
I'm not entirely sure I understand what you mean by that. I was speaking a few months ago with my ex-housemate (who is studying something linguistic-y) who made the comment that late language developers (such as me - I didn't speak a coherent word until around 3 years old) often treat their mother tongue as a foreign language. By way of example, more processing seems to take place in the language itself rather than what Steve Pinker (in The Language Instinct) calls mentalese. As such the syntax is often very strict and comes over deliberate-sounding.
</rambling-back-at-you> ;-)
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Date: 2004-09-21 02:12 pm (UTC)Yeah,
I'm not entirely sure I understand what you mean by that.
When you use speech each word is considered and doesn't flow 100% fluently from one word to the next. I always assumed this was an artifact of you signing some of the time cos when you sign+speech it is hard not to go a bit stilted. I have been told that after a few hours of signing+speaking if there is mixed hearing/deaf group that I actually sound Deaf cos I am not concentrating so much on my speech.
I was speaking a few months ago with my ex-housemate (who is studying something linguistic-y) who made the comment that late language developers (such as me - I didn't speak a coherent word until around 3 years old) often treat their mother tongue as a foreign language.
That would describe it quite accurately, some people who speak English as a foreign language pause in unusual places which I notice cos of course I am lipreading and pattern matching. If someone is very fast+fluent in speech it is different following them than someone who speaks in chunks or word by word. You are sort of half way between them, you have sort of bursts of output as it were which is ideal for signing with :).
I didn't speak till I was over 2.5yrs of age which is quite late for a hearing child but reasonable for a deaf child. I was diagnosed at 8mos and hearing aided from 10 mos. My mum had support and we had joint speech therapy 3 times a week and my mum talks the hind leg off several donkeys. At 5 years old I went to school and my first report comments on my marked Glaswegian accent :).
I will go and check out the Stephen Pinker thing, cos we discussed that just before BiCon I remember.
Natalya
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Date: 2004-09-23 12:21 am (UTC)Quintessential Player (http://www.quinnware.com/) handles them beautifully; it's the player that I use for just about everything.
For anyone who wants a very small but capable player that runs on Win32 and Linux, try Zinf (http://www.zinf.org/). It'll do MP3, Ogg/Vorbis, WAV and Audio CD playback, SHOUTcast/Icecast HTTP streaming, RTP streaming, and has a powerful music browser, theme support and a download manager.